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11. On Dating the Trojan War [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... reigned for 505 years or 22 generations, son succeeding father all down the line [10. Now although the claim that Heracles was their ancestor is hardly more credible than the other fanciful claims that the Lydians made about themselves [11, the figures look authentic enough. And they wholly support the argument that 33 years (let alone 40) is an excessive estimate. The average which these actual figures yield is 23 years. There is also a third consideration bearing on the date of the Trojan War, namely the period when Homer composed the Iliad. Rohl outlined in his article why this is still a somewhat vexed question. While most scholars place Homer in the eighth century, the war and the Bronze Age with which Homer shows such a close acquaintance are placed in the thirteenth or early twelfth century, separated from the poet by a vast, Lethean 'Dark Age'. However, the chronology which Rohl proposes does not fully resolve the difficulty. Placing the Trojan War c.900 BC and the floruit of Homer c.740, he claims that "Homer is now ...
12. Bibliography [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... , Cypriote Bronzework in the Mycenaean World (Oxford, 1964) Catling, H. W., ? Cyprus in the Late Bronze Age,? CAH3 II. 2 (Cambridge, 1975) Charbonneaux, J., Greek Bronzes (tr. K. Watson) (New- York, 1962) Cles-Redden, S. von, The Buried people; A Study of the Etruscan World (tr. C. Woodhouge) (N.Y., 1955) Coldstream, J. N., ? Hero-cults in the Age of Homer,? JHS, 96 (1976) Coldstream, J. N., Greek Geometric Pottery (London, 1968) Coldstream, J. N., Kythera (ed. Coldstream and G. Huxley) (Park Ridge, N.J., 1973) Coldstream, J. N., ? The Cesnola Painter: A Change of Address,? BICS, 13 (1971) Cook, R. M., Greek Art (New York, 1971) Cook, R. M., Greek Painted Pottery ( ...
13. The Historicity of the Homeric Poems and Traditions [SIS C&C Review $]
... the catastrophe that befell the Late Helladic centres, upset their economic stability and broke the political power of the Mycenaean rulers." [3 Modern scholarship had decided that the historical material handed down to us by the Greek historians was completely unreliable for this period because it not only claimed short genealogies back to the heroic age but also that the colonisation movement resulted from the invasion of the Dorians. This could not be, because the end of the Bronze Age was now too remote in time for any such connection. The writings of Homer and Hesiod and later Herodotus and Thucydides were all rejected in favour of the new interpretation: "So, it seems, there is good reason to reject all or most accounts of links with Mycenaean Greece, together with the high chronology of the movements of peoples, and the venerable ancestry of royal families." [4 Fig. 1: The orthodox pottery chronology for Late Bronze and Early Iron Age Greece, showing the extended Submycenaean and Protogeometric periods which, between them, last c. 230 years. (Illustration: ...
14. Applying the Revised Chronology [Pensee]
... the Trojan War is now assigned to the 13th century B.C., the shrine only goes back to ca. 700 B.C. Near Sparta a similar shrine to its king and queen, Agamemnon's brother Menelaus and his wife, Helen, is of the same date (79). Did the Greeks wait until the 500th anniversary of the Trojan War to honor their leaders? Why were 8th-7th-century objects placed in 13th-century tombs? Why were 13th-century rulers honored only ca. 700 B.C.? The explanation that it was not until then that Homer composed his extremely popular epic works about Trojan War heroes (80) overlooks the fact that most ancient sources believed that Homer lived at, or very shortly after, the time of Agamemnon, Menelaus, the Greek heroes, and the sack of Troy (81). At Mycenae, both within and beyond the citadel was, we have seen a number of chronological riddles involving archaeology, stratigraphy, and art history. The city gate, the stratigraphical section near the gate, the source of the Grave Circles, the tombstones ...
15. Olympic Game in the Iliad [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... of Venus. Later they were celebrated every four years, or two and a half synodical periods of Venus. The eighth century was a time when the planet Mars was prominent among the heavenly bodies and caused much destruction on earth. Nestor, the future king of Pylos, was but a young man at the time of the rampage of Heracles-Mars through the western Peloponnese he himself saw all his elder brothers killed by the god and his native Pylos burned to the ground 4 but by the tenth year of the siege of Troy, Homer tells, ? two generations of mortal men had [already perished: those who had grown up with him and they who had been born to these in sacred Pylos, and he was king in the third age.? 5 This information permits the rough guess that some fifty to sixty years passed between the founding of the Olympic Games in Nestor ? s youth and the Trojan War. In the Iliad the aging Nestor recalls that soon after the rebuilding of Pylos his father Neleus sent from Pylos a team of four horses with ...
16. THE DISASTROUS LOVE AFFAIR OF MOON AND MARS: PART ONE: SACRED SCANDAL AND DISASTER, CHAPTER 5 [Quantavolution Website]
... had been present" himself "or had heard it from someone who was there." Strange it is that Odysseus, when the song is ended, has been transported and is joyfully at ease. One would imagine that the story of an adulterous love triangle might have reminded him of his own plight- long away from his palace and beset by rumors of his wife's unfaithfulness. One might believe that the song was in bad taste, or that afterwards he might gnash his teeth and rend his garments. Not at all. Homer and he obviously did not feel any such connection between the performance and his plight. When the singer, Demodocus, "struck the chords in prelude," his audience was already entranced. He himself is blind; Homer, whose image he may reflect, is also called "the Blind." He is Homer's "good minstrel, whom the Muse loves above all other men, and gave him both good and evil; of his sight she deprived him, but gave him the gift of sweet song." [ ...
17. A Chariot Vase [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... eighth century or later.? (5) Nevertheless, Snodgrass, who has specialized in, and been instrumental in compiling that ? long list of war-gear,? and who has also grappled with the problem of the Dark Age, which scholars place between the end of the Mycenaean Period and the eighth century, still believed that chariots disappeared for centuries, not to return until the eighth century. (6) The debate at times rather heated still continues. (7) Integrally related to that controversy is yet another one concerning Homer ? s references to chariots and chariot warfare, which some date to the thirteenth century, others to the eighth which ? raises a serious problem ? for philologists as well. (8) References M. A. Littauer, ? The Military Use of the Chariot in the Aegean in the Late Bronze Age,? AJA, 76 (1972), pp. 145-146 and ? The Entrance to the Citadel,? n. 11. H. W. Catling, ? A Mycenaean Puzzle from Lefkandi in Euboea, American ...
18. THE DISASTROUS LOVE AFFAIR OF MOON AND MARS: INTRODUCTION [Quantavolution Website]
... and piece as anyone has ever composed, and a model for a thousand imitations. But it may also be the masking of a catastrophe visited upon the Greeks from the skies. I studied the lines and read some translations of them. I rendered them in something like the original epic hexameter, and shall present them below (Chapter 2) in that form. Still, examining the words was but the beginning of an investigation that carried me on odyssean wanderings into various fields of knowledge. I asked myself what spirit breathed into Homer and saw that it was the goddess Pallas Athena. Athena moved the Homeric Age. She led the Greeks in the Iliad and guided Odysseus through his many adventures of the Odyssey. I found her everywhere. She dominated the skies as a phenomenon, and human strife on Earth. I concerned myself with the context of the song and discovered that it was a Holy Dreamtime song, not a sacrilegious burlesque. It was presented as an opera-ballet, meant to take place among the gods in heaven. The same art form exists ...
19. Problems for Rohl's New Chronology [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... From: SIS Chronology and Catastrophism Workshop 1991 No 1 (July 1991) Home¦ Issue Contents FORUM Problems for Rohl's New Chronology Emmet Sweeney questions: A. Greece David Rohl places the Trojan War around 950 BC and the end of the Bronze Age about fifty years later. Yet these early dates fly in the face of a great body of evidence. The Olympiads: 1. How is it that Homer, who must have been born within a century of the First Olympiad (traditionally 776 BC), speaks of King Nestor as a victor in the Games? (Iliad xi, 671,& 761) 2. How is it that numerous Heroic Age figures who lived before the Trojan War were said to have taken part in the Games, and one tradition stated that the festival was founded by Pelops, grandfather of Agamemnon? (Pausanias v, 8, 1,& vi, 20, 8) The Alphabet: 1. No scholar has yet claimed that the Greek alphabet predates c.800 BC, yet Herodotus tells us [5, 59 ...
20. The Setting of the Stage [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... upon. There is hardly any problem in the entire history of literature that occupies the minds of scholars as much as the origin of the Homeric epics the Iliad and the Odyssey especially the question as to the time of their origin. The Iliad tells of the events of the final stage of the siege of Troy by the host of the Achaeans under Agamemnon, king of Mycenae. The Odyssey tells of the long wanderings of Odysseus, one of the heroes of that siege, on his circuitous way home. Tradition has it that Homer was a blind bard who lived and wandered on the Aegean coast of Asia Minor. Among the cities and islands that claimed to have been his birthplace were Smyrna, Chios, Colophon, Salamis, Rhodes, Argos, and Athens. Beyond this the tradition is very meager as to the personality of the poet and the events of his life. Several apocryphal writings pretending to tell something of him were composed in Greece, but had nothing to commend them. When did he live and create? In his great epics he described ...
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