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... for some three thousand years before Saturn came into his own as ruler of the gods. More likely, we think, would be an earlier determination that the Moon was fixed and captive, pallid, and earthly in origin, hence capable safely of dependent status, along with the Earth, under Saturnian rule. Saturn would have ruled therefore either from 11 500 (or from about 8 000) down to 5 700 years ago. The concluding date of 5 700 BP is related to proto-historical times, the time of the Great Deluge of Noah in the Bible and the First Dynasty of Egypt. The date is likely to be fixed with exactness someday. A Sumerian prism, for instance, names ten kings who ruled before the Flood, and says, "then the Flood swept over the Earth. After the Flood swept over, kingship again descended from Heaven." Wiseman, the editor of the prism, adds that "there is actually a line drawn across the text to separate the postdiluvian events from those occurring before the Flood". At this ...
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22. Nicolas Boulanger [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... came across the name very late in my research, 1 actually in 1963 and read in his works a few years later. I found that in some aspects he was not only my predecessor, but also a predecessor of Jung and Freud, actually solving the problem Freud and Jung left unsolved. Namely, he understood that the irrational behavior of the human species together with all the heritage of religious rites and much of the political structure of his own and other ages, were engendered in cataclysmic experiences of the past, in the Deluge, or deluges, of which there could have been more than one. In Boulanger ? s time geology as a science was in a prenatal stage. But as a road engineer he made observations in the valley of the Marne that made him draw conclusions which he substantiated in reading the then existing books of folklore and sacred writings; also classical writers were available to Boulanger, either in originals or in translation. He was convinced that the Deluge was a global occurrence, but this was no innovation on his part, because ...
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23. Saturn [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... Saturn Of Saturn I intended, already for some two decades, to write in a volume ? Saturn and the Flood,? in which, as the title discloses, I would endeavor to identify this planet as the prime cause of the greatest of all catastrophes in human memory the universal flood, or Deluge. This part of Worlds in Collision was conceived and drafted together with the parts dealing with Venus and Mars, but the elaboration of details was postponed and other labors claimed my attention and I am still before work unfinished. I will, however, disclose in a few sentences what is the subject of that part of reconstruction of world history. The age that man later called the Age of Cronos (Saturn) was remembered with nostalgia as the age of bliss. It was the the earliest age of which man retained some, however dim, memories, but farther into the past, the dimness amounts almost to darkness. Saturn was also a more massive body than it is now, possibly of the volume of Jupiter, 1 whereas now the ...
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24. Comments on the Second Issue [Catastrophism Geology $]
... into planets at all. Moreover, their mean densities would have been very low- substantially less than 1.00 (such meteorites are known). The behaviour of the present-day meteorites and planetoids is not relevant in this context. They are generally highly compact bodies (e.g. 'irons') which were formed some 500M years ago, when the Solar System was substantially clear of gas and dust, and so of orbital friction that had affected the planetesimals. V.Axel Firsoff Glastonbury, Somerset, U.K. Your Mars pictures (" The Martian Deluge", CG 1(2), p.51-52) lacked scale-- a minor sin you called others down for. As for the use of "flood" over "deluge" in reporting interpretations of Martian surface features, I think that there is a distinction that should be observed. The two terms may not be interchangeable. In current parlance, "flood" does not necessarily imply heavy rainfall (in most dictionaries I have examined, this meaning either is absent altogether, or else is well down on the list ...
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25. Myth and Method [SIS C&C Review $]
... can often identify such myths. In cases where ambiguity in the denotation of a cosmogonic agent name is suspected the text should be analysed in the light of the textual groups of the relevant cosmogonic events; cosmogonic activity is the best criterion for identification. Certain Velikovskian scholars have expended considerable energy on Genesis 1:16 in attempts to find an unconventional identification for the body set to govern the night; inasmuch as no cosmogonic activity is ascribed to the body, their energy is likely to be wasted (If vv 1-4 refer to the Deluge, they may be the only cosmogonically significant element of Genesis I.) The cosmogonic activity criterion is also useful in cases where it is suspected that irrelevant social structures have accreted for reasons of symmetry- e.g. has cosmogonic agent Y been provided with a wife because X has one? Discussion of denotation ambiguity brings me to a central problem for Velikovsky's method: given that the initial, intermediate and final states of bodies participating in cosmogonic events were quite different from each other, how can we have any confidence in ancient identifications ...
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26. In the Beginning -- A Review [The Velikovskian $]
... Zysman and Clark Whelton. As yet, there is one other book by Velikovsky --of historical importance --that ought to be reviewed: The Assyrian Conquest. Hopefully, that book will be reviewed soon. In the Beginning deals with events that preceded those narrated in Worlds in Collision, and, if the hue and cry against that first book is any indication of how the intelligentsia respond to revolutionary concepts, one may possibly fathom how much greater will be the outcry against this book, which is based on the supposition that the great Noachian deluge was a reality. It was thus, according to Velikovsky in his Introduction, "preferable to start from the better known [catastrophe and then proceed to the less known." What Velikovsky meant, of course, was to begin with the better documented catastrophes, especially Venus and Mars, and then to those that came earlier, namely, the Great Saturnian debacle. But he also cautions: As we seek to penetrate ever deeper into the past, we can see the foregoing periods through the veil of the catastrophes; ...
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... in book form. This may have something to do with the fact that Velikovsky never finished the work describing those earlier catastrophes, because they make Worlds in Collision look pretty tame by comparison. Someday, his executors may release the manuscript of Jupiter of the Thunderbolt and Saturn and the Flood. In the meantime, some articles which appeared in KRONOS provide a few details. The evidence of the Greenland ice cores have implications for claims of these earlier catastrophes, which I will review here. Chief among these earlier catastrophes was the Biblical Deluge, which Velikovsky ascribed to an explosion (to which he alluded as a nova) of the planet Saturn. "It is conceivable that the Earth was, at that time, a satellite of Saturn, afterwards possibly becoming a satellite of Jupiter." [1 Shortly after the explosion, Earth was enveloped in clouds of water, or of hydrogen gas, ejected from Saturn, which precipitated as the Flood. "The volume of water on the Earth was vastly increased...the Atlantic Ocean...came to be only after ...
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28. Did Saturn Explode Twice? [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... missing here and suggests that the "seven days" were days of brilliant light. By way of corroboration he refers to the text of Isaiah 30:36: "The light of the Sun shall be sevenfold as the light of the seven days." The main difference between the works of Velikovsky and Talbott and the work of Cardona is that the former claim that the dim planet shining in our sky is the spent Nova while the latter claims that the "Sun of night" was already a burnt out star before the Deluge (Kronos III:3 p. 50). Having proved that there was a double explosion of Saturn, we must examine the "Sun of night" and enquire whether it was already burnt out. Obviously enough, it was not a star in the sense that the Sun is a star today. Although it was in close proximity to Earth, it only provided a comfortable warmth and mild climate. In addition to this, the fact that it was illuminated by the Sun indicates a low temperature. It would be ...
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29. Arrival of the Waters [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... Arrival of the Waters Following the ? seven days ? when the world appeared to be ablaze in ? the radiance of a thousand suns ? the Deluge started. First, according to the Hindu account, vast clouds gathered which ? overshadowed the entire world.? (1) ? These ominous clouds... rumbling and shooting lightning, overspread the sky.? (2) They were ? as vast as mountains.? ? Some were dusky, some crimson, some white, some brilliant (in hue). (3) Other sources describe them as yellow, or azure, or red. ? Loud in roar and mighty in size they fill the entire sky.? (4) They were ? fringed with lightning, meteors and thunderbolts.? (5) Then, ? rumbling aloud with lightning [they poured torrential streams thick like chariot wheels.? (6) They ? rained with a sullen roar, inundating the three worlds with ceaseless downpour of torrents... .? (7) ? And then there were ...
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... : that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them upon the face of the earth: the Lord is his name."(50) Repetitive parallelism, according to Sieff, ties the "shadow of death" to Khima while the "waters of the sea" are referrable to Khesil. Here, then, according to Sieff, is proof that Khima was Venus and Khesil was Saturn for it was Venus that was responsible for the "shadow of death"(51) while Saturn was responsible for the Deluge. Once again, this does not accord well with Sieff's belief in the antiquity of Job for the "shadow of death" manifested itself precisely during the Exodus. Also, the Saturnian Deluge was not the only flood that beset the Earth. During Venus' hellish reign, the Earth was inundated more than once and it was inundated precisely by the sea which "poureth... upon the face of the earth."(52) Meanwhile, although during the Noachian Deluge the sea also transgressed its bounds, the ...
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