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81. Velikovsky Symposium- Florida, July 12 [SIS Internet Digest $]
... : David N. Talbott, firstname.lastname@example.org Date: 30 Jun 1996 20:34:02 GMT Andrew MacRae (email@example.com) writes in response to Mike Payne-> However, your observation of "changes in academic> thinking over the years" is missing an important point:> virtually none of that change has been the result of> "mythohistorical" analysis. It has been the result of> accumulated physical evidence and proposal and testing> of mechanisms with that evidence by conventional> astronomers, geologists, palaeontologists, and others. In> other words, Velikovsky's ideas and his advocates had> virtually nothing to do with it. This fact seems to be> neglected when advocates of Velikovsky mention the> changes that have occurred in the last few decades in> conventional science. Hold on there, Andrew, you're missing the point. The point is that Velikovsky discerned something that scientists ridiculed mercilessly in 1950. He claimed that ancient memories counted as evidence and called for rigorous cross-cultural comparisons. This appeal to ancient testimony was considered absurd ...
82. Horses, horse fossils, evolution of horses,talk-origins faq, talk_origins faq, talk.origins faq, talk origins faq, ediacara, evolution, darwinism, neo-darwinism, natural selection,genetic mutation,speciation,beak of the finch,homology,horse fossils,intelligent design"> [Alternative Science Website]
... has been oversimplified too many times already.' Hunt then proceeds to oversimplify the evidence in exactly the same way that it has been oversimplified for the past fifty years, in that she merely asserts that fossil specimens are related while neglecting to produce the scientific evidence that connects them. Disappointingly, she also recycles the same distortions of scientific fact and scientific urban myths that have been practised over the decades too. The first major popular publication on horse fossils was the 1951 book entitled simply 'Horses' published by George Simpson, professor of palaeontology at Harvard. In his book, Simpson presented a chart of horse evolution, versions of which have been endlessly reproduced in textbooks, encyclopaedias and museum publications ever since. (You can view Simpson's chart here). Simpson and his contemporaries were convinced that the horse fossils were the 'killer' evidence that biology had been seeking that would prove Darwinism once and for all. His triumphal tone is evident from his book where he wrote, 'The history of the horse family is still one of the clearest and most convincing for showing ...
83. Remarks from the Portland Symposium 3-5 Jan 1997 [SIS Internet Digest $]
... Sunday to conduct radio interviews for her talk show. William Mullen and Roger Wescott stood out in my mind for their energetic and erudite presentations. Wal Thornhill presented some brilliant synthesising of plasma physics as operant in intergalactic and interplanetary space- a potential revolution in its own right. The Saturnians, Dave, Ev and Dwardu presented a salvo of compelling mythological work which we are hoping to take on the road to the Whole Life Expos this spring and summer. Robert Bass unveiled new orbital dynamic material produced by his own orrery program, palaeontologist Robert Dunlap showed clips from 4 of his video productions about extinctions and meteor craters and after some prompting and cajoling, managed to get a handle on Ted Holden's sauropod scaling argument. C. J. Ransom provided much needed comic relief with his witticisms and ironies regarding basic resistance to Velikovskian catastrophism. And it was generally agreed at the Monday meeting that Roger Wescott's suggestion that the term "catastrophism" is itself an oversized dinosaur and should be replaced with "catastrophics" was a good one, as we should conceive ourselves less ...
84. The Feathered Serpent [Thunderbolts Website]
... . But plasma science suggests a new interpretation, one that could place serpent images as a whole in an entirely new light. The principal god of the Aztec was Quetzalcoatl, one of whose best known aspects was that of the 'feathered serpent'. The impression shown here is on display in the anthropological museum of Villahermosa in Tabasco, Mexico. The image is well known, but the oddness of a snake covered in feathers remains unexplained; needless to say, snakes have a scaly skin and the closest approximation to feathered reptilians are palaeontological findings of bird-like dinosaurs that have nothing to do with mythology. The mystery is deepened by the fact that striking parallels are found beyond the boundaries of the Aztec world. The Maya called the plumed dragon Cuculcan or Cucumatz, the Zuņi Kolowissi, the Hopi Palulukoņ. As far South as Venezuela we hear of the snake Huiio who crowned herself with the scattered feathers of the ancestral birds, as the Makiritare people report. In Greek mythology, the heaven-spanning giant Typhon had serpents for legs and a body "all winged" or ...
85. Ossified Dragon Theories [Thunderbolts Website]
... on a particular monster with a unique name, such as the Greek Typhon or Python, the Indian Vritra, or the Babylonian Tiamat. If serpents and dinosaurs informed the image, it is hard to see how the collective features of a thousand specimens could have fused into a single, personified character. Indeed, the detailed agreements between the descriptions of the dragon in multifarious cultures strongly suggest that a single prototype or certainly no more than a handful spawned the many traditions. Theories suggesting parallel, incidental mythologizations of snakes and palaeontological finds fail to account for the unity of the dragon archetype. In mythology, the dragon's natural habitat is not the surface of the earth, but the sky. It is a monster of cosmic dimensions. That some species of snakes have the ability to 'leap' seems hardly relevant. On the other hand, if long-extinct species, such as Pterodactyls, had provoked the image, one ought to be consistent and derive all other aspects of the flying dragon from this particular class of dinosaur. The dragons populating the world of ...
86. A Philosophy for Interdisciplinary Studies [SIS C&C Review $]
... evidence by the other. Further, and in consequence of this last view, it is maintained that it is misleading to say that one paradigm is more "true" than another, or that one gets closer and closer to the truth as one paradigm succeeds another- say, when the pre-Copernican cosmology is succeeded by the Copernican, or that of Newton by that of Einstein [5. If to defy a reigning paradigm is to be a crank, then VELIKOVSKY, who has defied at least three paradigms, in astronomy, palaeontology and ancient history, is triply a crank. But then, Copernicus and Galileo were cranks for exactly the same reason. It might be objected that the scientific community later came round to accepting the main contentions of Copernicus and Galileo, so therefore they were not cranks. But if this is the criterion, then we simply do not know whether Velikovsky is a crank or not, because we do not know what the scientific community of the coming decades or centuries will make of him. If it is claimed that Copernicus and ...
87. Mammoth Update: A Reply to Ellenberger (Forum) [Kronos $]
... , as I have pointed out elsewhere,(10) preservation of mammoth carcasses is never as complete as claimed (even the much-vaunted Beresovka specimen was not spared considerable decay). Ellenberger's assertion that "the carcasses that are preserved whole froze quickly enough to prevent their putrefaction, and being eaten by scavengers" fails to meet the observed facts. The contrary view, that the cadavers froze slowly, does not stem solely from the paper by the geologist Farrand (anathema to Ellenberger), for further contributions have been made by distinguished palaeontologists and biochemists and these prove that each beast was assaulted from both within and without before freezing became complete. Thus, frozen mammoth carcasses do show evidence of mutilation by predators in antiquity and as they thaw out they, and the surrounding soil, emit an odour characteristic of decomposition.(11) Most mammoths are encountered dismembered and partially decomposed; and despite the superficially fresh appearance that the exposed, thawed flesh is said to possess, most of the tissues, upon histological section, reveal cellular disruption consistent with putrefactive degradation. ...
88. Continuous Versus Discontinuous and Self-Perpetuating Versus Self-Terminating Processes [Catastrophism Geology $]
... move in steps of several meters in a fraction of a second (Howell, 1959, p. 115f; Pavoni, 1971, Table 1, p. 8). Quite obviously large amounts of energy are released very rapidly and shock waves radiate from the fault, causing secondary effects which one would never suspect if considering only the average rate of movement (Gretener, 1972). Recurrent events have a probability (curve b, Figure 4) such that one can expect them to occur almost uniformly at least once during each palaeontological stage (11+ My). Occasional events (curve c, Figure 4) must have occurred several times throughout the Phanerozoic. They may well represent the type of events responsible for the various evolutionary breaks that have been used to produce the major divisons of the palaeontological time scale. Rare events can be expected to have occurred at the most very few times during the total history of the Earth of 4.5 Gy. The probability. for at least one occurrence for such a rare event in 4.5 Gy is better than 99 ...
89. Retrospect [SIS C&C Review $]
... he claims in his paper that if the earth were to brake "the oceans would have been raised to the boiling point of water, an event which seems to have been overlooked by Velikovsky's ancient sources". But Worlds in Collision has a chapter on "Boiling Earth and Sea". The Zend-Avesta says: "The sea boiled all the shores of the ocean boiled, all the middle of it boiled." Writing his paper, Sagan seems not to know of the existence of Earth in Upheaval, where the geological, palaeontological, and climatological evidence of global catastrophes is presented, and especially the global changes thirty-four and twenty-seven centuries ago. He wrote: "To the best of my knowledge there is no geological evidence for a global inundation of all parts of the world either in the eighth or in the fifteenth centuries B.C. If such floods occurred, even if they were brief, they should have left some clear trace in the geological record. And what of the archaeological and palaeontological evidence? Where are the extensive faunal extinctions of the correct date ...
90. Monitor [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... of the frozen mammoths. He points out that the frozen carcasses are actually mummies, freeze dried by the natural desiccation processes pertaining to soil in icy conditions. 'Frozen mammoths are as desiccated as an embalmed pharaoh...', are invariably found buried in earth ('there is no evidence that these animals fell into glacial crevasses'). The evidence points to a rich, steppe vegetation 'circled the top of the globe like a grassy collar', capable of supporting vast herds of huge grazing animals. Frozen mummies investigated by Soviet palaeontologists appear to come from two periods dates at 11,000 and 35,000 years ago. The climate at the edge of the ice was very different from that of the tundra today, particularly regarding the strong, dry winds that blew at the time, carrying enormous amounts of dust which was deposited as loess during the coldest periods. If an animal then died in a valley during a warmer period it would become buried in silt washed down by rain or melted snow. The bison Guthrie was investigating could have been naturally ...
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