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1. Greek Debt To Babylonians [SIS Internet Digest $]
... Internet Digest 1997:1 (Sep 1997) Home¦ Issue Contents Kronia Mailing List focus The Kronia list is an email-based discussion group. An email sent to the Kronia list is automatically relayed to everyone who is subscribed to the list. To subscribe to the Kronia list, send an email to firstname.lastname@example.org requesting that you want to join. Greek Debt To Babylonians From: Peter James <email@example.com> Date: 27 Feb 97 00:14:34 EST Clark Whelton asks: I'd like to know more about Greeks learning astronomy from Babylonians. Could you give me a reference, please? Thanks. Peter James replies: There is stacks of stuff. In Greek discussions of astronomy there are many, many references to Babylonian and Chaldaean knowledge of astronomy. To trawl through all the classical references would be impossible, but here is one early and one late to give the range of ideas as well as dates. Herodotus II.109.3 says that "knowledge of the sundial (polos) and the gnomon and the twelve divisions of the day came into ...
2. Sicily, Carthage, and the Fall of Troy [Kronos $]
... if the return home was blocked- not just by stormy seas, but by upheavals and dislocations that deprived the returnees of shelter in their own land. Following the disasters that afflicted the Greek lands, the last of the heroic generation turned into wanderers and pirates, seeking for living space far from their own ravaged habitations.(1) Strabo, the Roman geographer, thus described the situation that ensued in the wake of Troy's fall: "For it came about that, on account of the length of the campaign, the Greeks of that time, and the barbarians as well, lost both what they had at home and what they had acquired by the campaign; and so, after the destruction of Troy, not only did the victors turn to piracy because of their poverty, but still more the vanquished who survived the war. And indeed, it is said that a great many cities were founded by them along the whole seacoast outside of Greece, and in some parts of the interior also."(2) Excavations in Sicily over the ...
3. Menelaos in Egypt [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... From: SIS Chronology and Catastrophism Workshop 1992 No 1 (Aug 1992) Home¦ Issue Contents Menelaos in Egypt (Links Between Mycenaean Greece and Egypt) by Emmet J. Sweeney According to Herodotus, the first Greeks to reach Egypt came in the time of Psammetichus. The 'Father of History' tells us how a band of bronze-clad Ionians and Carians arrived in the Delta, began plundering the countryside, and were then recruited by Psammetichus as mercenaries [1. With the help of these troops, Psammetichus was able to overcome his rival Dodecarchs, wrest Egypt from the Assyrian empire, and launch a great imperial epoch of Egyptian history. These events are generally dated to the second quarter of the 7th century. In conformity with this dating, Greek pottery and artifacts of the early 7th century are discovered with great frequency in the Delta, especially at those sites specifically linked to the Greeks. However, in apparent contradiction of these facts, both archaeology and tradition record contact between Hellenes and Egyptians in an earlier epoch. In his history of Egypt Herodotus informs ...
4. Before the Greeks: Professor Davis's Cretan Decipherments [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... From: SIS Chronology and Catastrophism Workshop 1988 No 2 (Jan 1989) Home¦ Issue Contents Before the Greeks: Professor Davis's Cretan Decipherments by Alan Dilnot In 1952 Michael Ventris in association with John Chadwick announced the decipherment of the 'Mycenaean' Linear B script as Greek. This discovery, which compelled a radical revision of our understanding of Greek pre-history, also raised hopes that the closely related Linear A script might soon be deciphered. Chadwick, in the Postscript to The Decipherment of Linear B, reported that 'two plausible theories' had emerged: the one, that the Linear A language belonged to the Hittite group; the other, that it had 'Semitic connections' [1. Amongst the supporters of the Semitic theory, according to Chadwick, was Professor Simon Davis of Witwatersrand. Subsequently, however, Professor Davis became a proponent of the Hittite theory and in 1967 he published The Decipherment of the Minoan Linear A and Pictographic Scripts. In his introduction Davis claimed: "the discovery has been made that the language of the Cretan Pictographic Script, the Linear ...
5. Aphrodite - The Moon or Venus? [SIS C&C Review $]
... and suggests an answer to the question:- Aphrodite- The Moon or Venus? Peter James IMMANUEL VELIKOVSKY's reconstruction of the solar system's recent history has thrown a completely new light on the question of the origin of religions. In "Worlds in Collision" he draws our attention to the Homeric Hymn to Ares" (1), which explicitly refers to that deity as a planet god- the hymn leaves no doubt that one of Ares' most important aspects was as the god of the planet he named, Ares to the Greeks, Mars to the Romans. Velikovsky has also made an excellent case for identifying the goddess Athena with the planet Venus, an original and extremely important discovery. In pointing out these things he has made an invaluable contribution to our understanding of the myths and religion of the Greeks, albeit a contribution still ignored by classical scholars. If he is right the task now in hand is to work out the precise mechanics of the Greek myth making process wherever possible. For instance, was Ares an abstract personification of war before the ...
6. Aphrodite The Moon or Venus? (Continued) [SIS C&C Review $]
... this is reported in the Odyssey, by Demodocus no less, and by Odysseus from Hades. There and elsewhere the post-war adventures of the Achaean heroes are recounted, and it would appear that they received very little for their pains except more suffering, mishaps, treachery, and misadventure. But let us examine, with Finley's words, the case of "Helen, who is a very peculiar figure. Helen, daughter of Zeus and Leda, was Aphrodite's favourite, and thanks to the gifts of the goddess she succeeded in embroiling Greeks and Trojans in a gigantic struggle that cost both sides dearly. Helen was no innocent victim in all this, no unwilling captive of Paris Alexander, but an adulteress in the most complete sense. For Paris there was no atonement.... But Helen received no punishment, and scarcely any reproach. She ended her days back in Sparta, administering magical drugs obtained in Egypt, interpreting omens, and participating in the life of the palace much like Arete [queen of the Phaeacians and a strange powerful figure and not ...
7. Aftermath of the Trojan War [Catastrophism & Ancient History Journal $]
... to Cilicia and founded a city, Aspendus, named after his son Aspendus.[6 According to Strabo[7 his people were dispersed in Cilicia, Syria, and Phoenicia. Teucer, another hero, was driven from his home town and with a number of men went to Cyprus and founded Salamis there.[8 It is well known that the Ramesside dynasty had many problems with the invading Sea Peoples. A connection is usually made with the Greek heroes returning from Troy and with a tale told by Odysseus;[9 Greeks partaking in piracy would be very probable. Names like Aqaiwasha and Danuna from Egyptian sources, describing the invading Sea Peoples, can easily be explained with the names Homer uses when mentioning the Greeks-- Achaioi and Danaoi. Concerning the Tjekker, another of the Sea Peoples, some scholars[10 see a connection with Teucer and his men, the Teucri, who went to Cyprus and, according to the well known story of Wenamun's voyage, had occupied Dor, near Mount Carmel. If my date for the Trojan War ...
8. Deification of the Planets [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... Deification of the Planets The Sun and the Moon are two great luminaries, and it is easily understandable that the imagination of the peoples should be preoccupied with them and should ascribe to them mythological deeds. Yet the ancient mythologies of the Chaldeans, the Greeks, the Romans, the Hindus, the Mayans, preoccupy themselves not with the Sun or the Moon, but prima facie with the planets. Marduk, the great god of the Babylonians, was the planet Jupiter; so was Amon of the Egyptians, Zeus of the Greeks and Jupiter of the Romans. (1) It was much superior to Shamash-Helios, the Sun. Why was it revered by all peoples? Why was the planet Mars chosen to be the personification of the god of war? Why did Kronos of the Greeks, Saturn of the Romans, play a part in hundreds of myths and legends? Thoth of the Egyptians, Nebo and Nergal of the Babylonians, Mithra and Mazda of the Persians, Vishnu and Shiva of the Hindus, Huitzilopochtli and Quetzalcoatl of the Mexicans, were ...
9. Competing for a Greater Antiquity [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... scheme arranged according to the timetable of Egyptian history, certain advantages were seen in moving the Trojan War to greater antiquity than the inroad of the Peoples of the Sea into Egypt, computed to have taken place in -1174. 5 Eratosthenes, however, did not connect in any way the events that took place in the days of Ramses III with the Trojan expedition. Was there any special intent in Eratosthenes ? effort to place the Trojan War more than nine centuries before his own time? If his motive was to prove that the Greeks were an ancient nation, then his reasoning should be viewed as tendentious. This is, in fact, the case. When the Greeks under the leadership of Alexander of Macedon subjugated Mesopotamia and Egypt, and soon thereafter established there Greek dynasties of Seleucus and Ptolemy, and introduced the Greek language and Hellenistic civilization, the erudites in what was once Babylonia and equally so in Egypt felt an urge to prove to their conquerors that they, the conquered, belonged to cultures more exalted, because more ancient. Berosus, a Chaldean ...
10. Oedipus and Akhnaton [Pensee]
... revolution crystallized by Akhnaton embraced what we would call realism in art. Instead of idealizing the portrayals of the Pharaoh and his family, the artists were instructed not only to tell the truth but to exaggerate it. Akhnaton is portrayed in ways that approach caricature, with his deformities exposed mercilessly. We need for present purposes single out only his swollen thighs, depicted grotesquely, in a manner out of keeping with over 3000 years of Pharaonic Egyptian art. Words for "foot" are often used to include legs and even thighs. Greeks in the Mycenaean-Amarna period seeing representations of the deformed Pharaoh --whose dynasty was Theban --transformed him into King He-of-the Swollen-Feet and relocated him in sevengated Thebes. Laius was killed by his son Oedipus. Velikovsky sees in Laius a transformation of Amenhotep III, whose son Akhnaton tried to eradicate his name. Akhnaton came to the throne as Amenhotep IV, but soon changed his name to Akhn-Aton, marking a break with the old and entrenched Amen cult of Thebes to embark upon a religious revolution whereby the one and only true god of life was ...
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