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41. The Flood from Heaven: Deciphering the Atlantis Legend by Eberhard Zangger [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... lived 9000 years ago'(all quotations from the Loeb Classical Library translation by R.G. Bury). After briefly describing their highly organized way of life, he continued, 'For it is related in our records how once upon a time your State stayed the course of a mighty host, which, starting from a distant point in the Atlantic ocean, was insolently advancing to attack the whole of Europe, and Asia to boot. For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles', there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together...' The Athenian army emerged victorious, saving 'from slavery such as were not yet enslaved, and all the rest of us who dwell within the bounds of Heracles it ungrudgingly set free. But at a later time there occurred portentous earthquakes and floods, and one grievous day and night befell them, when the whole body of your warriors was swallowed up by the earth, and the ...
42. Chronological Implications of a Proper Identification of the Labyrinth [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... uncertainties. Neither precludes the identification of Saqqara as the location of the Labyrinth. As discussed by Armayor, neither the evidence relied upon by Petrie nor his use of it is certain [4. Likewise, various Greco-Roman papyri that mention the Labyrinth do not allow one to fix its location [5. Armayor, who argues that the Egyptian Labyrinth was a Greek fiction (a conclusion reached, in my opinion, using various false chronological assumptions and some real straining), nevertheless includes Saqqara among the possible locations for complexes that the Greeks might have called a Labyrinth. Of course, Herodotus and Strabo did not discuss every Egyptian temple and pyramid. They only discussed the most noteworthy. But if Strabo and Herodotus were describing a Labyrinth at Hawarra, then strangely they would both have omitted the Step Pyramid complex from their descriptions. Such an omission is highly improbable, since modern Egyptologists consider the Step Pyramid complex as perhaps the most impressive in ancient Egypt. Alan Gardiner says of the Step Pyramid complex: "Egypt has no more remarkable spectacle to offer than the ...
43. The Birth of Athena [Aeon Journal $]
... From: Aeon II:3 (1990) Home¦ Issue Contents The Birth of Athena Ev Cochrane There are also stars that suddenly come to birth in the heaven itself... The Greeks call them comets. (1) By all accounts the birth of Athena from the head of her father was a tumultuous occasion. "Athena sprang from the skull of Zeus with an earth-shattering battle-cry, so that the heavens shook and the mother earth." (2) The account in the Homeric Hymn of Athena is of a comparable nature: And before Zeus the aegis-holder she sprang swiftly from his immortal head, brandishing a sharp-pointed spear. Great Olympos quaked dreadfully under the might of the gray-eyed goddess, as the earth all about resounded awesomely, and the sea moved and heaved with purple waves. (3) The spectacular nature of Athena's birth has long intrigued scholars-- and with good reason. Not only are the physiological details of the goddess' birth patently absurd, the cataclysmic imagery attending her epiphany is difficult to imagine under any but the ...
44. Intimations of an Alien Sky [Aeon Journal $]
... starry heavens, and all the stories, characters, and adventures narrated by mythology concentrate on the active powers among the stars, who are the planets. (6) The above should make it evident that, originally, there was no differentiation between the names of planets and the names of gods since both were one and the same. For that reason it becomes somewhat difficult to discuss ancient astronomical lore without also discussing the ancient deities. But while, in Egypt, astronomy was not divorced from religion until the advent of the Greeks under the Ptolemies, other centers of civilization began to diversify much earlier when a new breed of intellectuals sought to devote their time to the study of the planets without recourse to theology. To be sure, the planets were not stripped of their divine character but, with the sophistication of mathematics, astronomical observation became more of a science in the modern sense. And, perhaps in order to keep their astral studies isolated from the higher realm of theology, these novel astronomers bestowed a set of new names on the planets, ...
45. Problems for Rohl's New Chronology [SIS C&C Workshop $]
... the following: Military Equipment: 1. How could Seti I, placed in the 10th century, portray cavalry soldiers in action (as on the Hypostyle Hall at Karnak), if the Assyrians were still struggling with the concept of horsemanship in the time of Assurnasirpal II? (see the bas-reliefs of Assurnasirpal in the British Museum). 2. How could 19th Dynasty kings employ heavily armed hoplite soldiers carrying double-handled shields (the Sardan), when double-handled shields were only developed by the Carians (Herodotus i, 171) and Greeks early in the 7th century- specifically to provide a stable shield-wall behind which otherwise vulnerable hoplite phalanxes would be safe? Can Rohl or anyone else show me a Greek portrayal of the double-handled shield predating c.650 BC? 3. How is it that both Seti I and Ramesses II show Hittite allies carrying typical Boeotian-style Medish shields? The Pyramid Age: 1. How does Rohl explain the fact that Herodotus, who is otherwise so accurate, places the pyramid builders- Cheops, Chephren etc- in the mid-8th century, just before ...
46. HERAKLES AND HEROES [Quantavolution Website]
... Quantavolution.Org E-MAIL: firstname.lastname@example.org TABLE OF CONTENTS KA by H. Crosthwaite CHAPTER SIXTEEN HERAKLES AND HEROES HERODOTUS writes about Egypt in the second book of his history. In Chapters 42 and 43 he discusses Herakles, reporting that the Egyptians regarded him as one of the twelve gods. Greeks, he says, took the name Herakles from Egypt, that is, those Greeks who gave the name Herakles to the son of Amphitryon. Amphitryon and Alkmene were of Egyptian parentage. Seventeen thousand years before the reign of Amasis, the twelve gods came from the eight, and Herakles was one of them. Such is the Egyptian story. Herodotus went to Phoenicia and talked to the priests of the temple of Herakles in Tyre, where there were two obelisks, or pillars (stelae). The priests said that the temple was as old as Tyre, at least 2,300 years. At Thasos, he says, there was a temple dedicated to the Thasian Herakles, built by the Phoenicians who founded Thasos after sailing in search of Europe. This was ...
47. The movement of myth? [SIS Internet Digest $]
... movement of myth? From: clerk 2012, email@example.com Date: Tue 31 Oct 1995 18:02:08 -0500 I'm interested in starting conversation on the above topic, as a religious studies major, I've been heavily bombarded with the way myths are retellings of history with a certain spirituality and morality behind them (this isn't always true of course...). Anyway, I have recently been reading Sandman, which is a comic series written by Neil Gaimon. In his tales, he appropriates deities from the Greeks, Egyptians, Celts, Judeo-Xian, etc. and contextualises to our more modern experience what might be called the Platonic forms of the gods. In this I mean to say that he would employ, say Lucifer or Isis, and situate their representational meanings in a context to which we can relate in this specific historical juncture (thus pronouncing their universality --Platonic form) The same could be said of most myths since the Greeks (though I realize that to limit mythological history to the Greeks is a fascist step, which is ...
48. "Stonehenge Viewpoint?" Biased View (Forum) [Kronos $]
... wrote: "The memory of the cataclysms was erased, not because of lack of written traditions, but because of some characteristic process that later caused entire nations, together with their literate men, to read into these traditions allegories or metaphors where actually cosmic disturbances were clearly described."(15) How many more times has this to be emphasized? By the time Forrest reached the "Notes, etc." to Volume 4 of Velikovsky's Sources, he admitted that what Plato wrote concerning the forgetting of past history by the Greeks "is really very different from the process of 'forgetting' that V[elikovsky calls collective amnesia". And, if I may ask, does this apply only to Plato? While Plato's "forgetting" continued to be accounted for by Forrest through "the loss of written records", Velikovsky's brand of "forgetting" is finally recognized as "an almost active suppression of memories that have actually survived Plato's process of 'forgetting''".(16) He then had the nerve to reproduce the very passage from Worlds ...
49. The Western Colonies [Velikovsky Archive Website]
... if the return home was blocked not just by stormy seas, but by upheavals and dislocations that deprived the returnees of shelter in their own land. Following the disasters that afflicted the Greek lands, the last of the heroic generation turned into wanderers and pirates, seeking for living space far from their own ravaged habitations. (1) Strabo, the Roman geographer, thus described the situation that ensued in the wake of Troy ? s fall: For it came about that, on account of the length of the campaign, the Greeks of that time, and the barbarians as well, lost both what they had at home and what they had acquired by the campaign; and so, after the destruction of Troy, not only did the victors turn to piracy because of their poverty, but still more the vanquished who survived the war. And indeed, it is said that a great many cities were founded by them along the whole seacoast outside of Greece, and in some parts of the interior also. (2) Excavations in Sicily over the past ...
50. The Historicity of the Homeric Poems and Traditions [SIS C&C Review $]
... direction. It is easy to forget the fact that, previous to Petrie's announcement, the world of Greek scholarship had assumed a much lower date for the Mycenaean Period and a continuity between it and the following Archaic Period. Pre- el-Amarna Greek scholars simply saw the invasion of the Dorians as the reason for the sudden change in culture and that this invasion was followed by a relatively brief period of decline brought about by the arrival of a less cultured population. This original view of events was not really surprising, because the ancient Greeks themselves had given very little impression in their own writings of a long period of abandonment and stagnation following the 'Heroic Age'. As Finley notes: "The Greek antiquarians who put the story into writing more than 500 years afterwards had no notion of the great breakdown of about 1200 B.C., no idea of a Bronze Age, and therefore no sense of the very considerable time-span of the Dark Age." [2 Hesiod of Boeotia complains of the slow and inexorable decline of civilisation since the Heroic Age, not of ...
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